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betsy: hi i'm betsy, this is joe. we're bothfrom the clearing. and today, we're here to talk aboutthe cost of residential treatment facilities acrossthe country. joe, you're a business guy and i know you'vespent some months and months researching the different ways that programsare assembled and what their cost structures are. why don't you tell us a little bit aboutprograms that cost under $20,000 a month. joe: okay. well, betsy i'm going to breakthat up into two categories, because under 20 you can kindlook at programs that are free up to, say,

$10,000. and those are programs that are subsidizedor completely paid for by federal, state, or local government. they tend to have a lotof people in a room. they tend to be a lower socio-economicclass, maybe even homeless folks that are in partof that group. they're almost certainly a 12 step program.and that's what's happening at that level. then, from 10 to 20, you're starting to getinto some subsidy and there's also some private payinsurance that's starting to show up. again, it tendsto be a lot

people in a room, tends to be very institutional,large number of folks going through the program, and it's a 12 stepprogram. betsy: okay. so, what would you expect tosee in a program that costs between $20,000 and $50,000? joe: so, let's call it $20,000 to $45,000.that program is going to be a program that's,typically, paidfor either private, meaning no insurance or privateinsurance at the lower end of that scale. and as you startto get up into the higher end of the scale, more private pay. at that point,you still have a

roommate, maybe two. you tend to still havea 12 step program. though you may have a few alternativeto 12 step starting to show up. little bit more individualizedcare still tends to be a fairly large audience and tends, mostly,to be a 12 step program. then, in the $45 to $65k range, now you'restarting to get into the area where you're going to have analternative to a 12 step program. so, more individualizedcare, more thought into the program other than, hey, it's the 12 steps,let's go to an aa meeting, and tends to have ahigher social economic class of folks that

are going to that.and it tends to have more people that are truly interested inhealing. betsy: okay, so, that get us to about $65,000.what would one expect at $65,000 or more? joe: so, those programs exist over $65,0000and i've found them even up to $120,000 a month. now, you're talkingabout the luxury programs. you're going to havea private room, private bath, probably a lot of individualizedcare. if there is a program, it's probably a good program, butthere's also a

chance that it's a really residence and notmuch else. betsy: so, joe, what's the cost of the clearing? joe: so, the clearing, we're $35,0000 allinclusive - private room, private bath. we have up to eight peopleat a time. we compare really well to programs thatcost $70 or $75,000. but we're able to keep our costs down and provide a real qualityprogram. betsy: well, that's a pretty big statementthat you compare a $35,000 program to a $65,000 program. whatcan you say about your reasons for thinking that wayabout it?

joe: well, first of all, we have a very strongprogram. we go at healing the underlying core issues causingthe behavior you want to change. we have a very intensive programassociated with that. we focus of having a group of participants that arevery motivated to heal, so, that you are surrounding by folksthat really, really want to get better. and we're in abeautiful environment - san juan island, washington ona 65-acre farm. and we have eight folks in our farmhouse.